the migration of the main core of Semites up the Nile River. I guess if youre getting a university degree in Africa, you may arrive at more practical ideas of how to improve your familys financial position than to pursue a lucrative linguistics career. Bantu people are biblical hebrews. It would be an unusual sort of change, I reckon. I was also interested that Rilly mentioned doing continuing fieldwork on two Nubian languagesgenerating some of that influx of new data. And all from reading just one book! Oh dear. The major problems with this are (a) there are typically only few distinct phonological shapes of these suffixes in Niger-Congo languages and (b) individual suffixes typically have several meanings, and these meaning typically overlap with those of other suffixes. Evidence that the internet is not as idiotic as it often looks. . It eases my conscience a bit about my dabbling with Swadesh lists in Oti-Volta, where Ive seen fit to discard inconvenient outcomes when they seem grossly at variance with better evidence for subgrouping, but snuck in lexicostatistics as a help to estimating the relative length of the various branches (as opposed to defining the branching in the first place.) @je ScriptSource Basal lineages in many cases really havent changed all that much in eons. The Ugaritic writing system, however, departs markedly from the other Canaanite scripts in that its symbols are of cuneiform shape. I have a doctoral minor in Spanish and spent my army tour in Panama, and I know Ive seen the usage. This is plausible enough with many of the Kwa languages, but already runs in trouble with Atlantic, where the classes certainly are typologically very like Bantu classes but the actual form-meaning correspondences are only discernible by wishful thinking with the exception of the human and liquid classes. Yeah, I dont recall his commenting here, but he follows the site and is a faithful link-sender. Because the complaint was ONLY about this specific claim. was discussed in these august halls not so long ago.. Similarly, in morphology, across languages children proceed from nonalternation between forms to immature strategies for initial markings of grammatical categories, thence to creative errors of over-regularization, until eventually the system becomes fully constrained by lexical convention. Our tree has some major disagreements with the standard trees. So much of the ancient writing that remains to us is repetitive funerary formulae. It calls for subsidy if you ask me. Otherwise, Id think wed see instead of Niger-Congo and Nilo-Saharan the diversity that we see in the click languages, where we now know that there is in fact genetic affinity between eastern and southern groups, but at a remove in time that matches the untraceable linguistic relations. If a percentage of the 50 was a slender reed, some of the 20 is a blade of grass. (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/Herders_aDNA_published.pdf ), but also Scheinfeldt doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1817678116, documenting successive in-migrations of Levantine and/or North African (at least some of them Afro-Asiatic), later Nilo-Saharan, and much later Bantu herders which part-mixed with the locals and part-pushed them into less accessible habitats. Fischerei, Du. The absolute frame of reference penetrating English grammar. I agree with you (and Starostin) that lexicostatistics cant provide dates either in principle or in practice; I think it can help with establishing internal family relationships, but only if you take it with a large grain of salt. Umm el-Marra, Syria. The stupid thing with those families is that you can draw a picture and then people know: Hausa is an Afroasiatic language (thank to Meinhof) even if they dont know a word in it. How do the biological mathematical models cope with widespread lateral transmission of genetic information (a well-known thing in bacteria, after all, though presumably not quite as pervasive as the analogue with languages, where it is the rule rather than the exception)? And the separate question of whether these forms go with the vos or t pronoun. The laryngeal must have been present for the schwa secundum to be inserted; without laryngeal, we would expect ., By contrast in Uralic *kala is highly stable. For the sake of elegant variation, at least). Is there a mechanism among bands of hunter-gatherers that would have systematically done that across a region as large as that in which even non-Bantu Niger-Congo is spoken, other than demic replacement? So some of In addition to languages spoken today, Afroasiatic includes several important ancient languages, such as Ancient Egyptian, which forms a distinct branch of the family, and within the Semitic family, Akkadian, Biblical Hebrew and Old Aramaic. African Language Review 6:17-25. Proto-Afroasiatic) was spoken. I always recommend it for improving ones self-esteem and to people who believe foreign langauges are difficult and wish it were used as the language of international communication exactly because of its system of tenses and irregular verbs. In the Mossi-Dagomba cultural zone they are very strongly associated with chieftaincy. Taking this universal applicability as given, presumably either intergenerational language transmission works much like genetics (plainly false) or the relevant mathematical techniques are not dependent on exactly how this transmission works. Im not sure though that even this method gives better results than pencil and paper. (I must say that the fact that such papers have nevertheless been published in prestigious journals is itself a cause for concern. E.g. The data will eventually be fed into one of those phylogenetic contraptions which Blench hates so much (the biggest intellectual fraud since Chomsky.). It certainly is false, in principle; Western Oti-Volta illustrates the point in fact, with isoglosses criss-crossing in a way that seems impossible to explain without supposing the spread of features across already-established language boundaries. Thus, from North Africa, wave after wave of Semitic migrations would seem to have set forth. These nominal classifications make themselves felt primarily in agreement systems as expressed on: determiners, adjectives, subject and object marking on verbs. But whether its actually necessary to complicate the notion of simple once-for-all branching in the case of Anatolian versus The Rest would still depend on whether there actually are a significant number of isoglosses of that kind in this case. Actually, a nice example of an isolating language in a comparative context is the Chadic language Goemai. Adams, G.B. may testify to the arrival of these new population groups. I was thinking of it more as a muddy consonant at the edge of d/g, where enunciation might surface the g-ishness, rather than a true assimilation that got reversed, or whatever the term would be. Heres a short version. Mitochondrial and Y-chromosome haplogroups in these samples are prominently found in Anatolian and European Neolithic samples. There is: you sit down and investigate the slightly different datasets and the decisions to pick up cognacy judgments from prior researchers or use their own, consider grammatical data or only use lexical data, use variations on the methods of calculation etc.. However, I realize I have no clear idea what to expect for how body sizes should vary among fish. I was doing some Swadesh-100 type stuff myself with the Oti-Volta languages for a paper that I shall release to a grateful world if it ever gets to a state where I cant pick huge holes in it myself. Those are not counted there. I was trying to talk both about morphology (visible shapes what I mostly work on) and molecules. The Farefare for hedgehog is ympa, and arrow is pf, plural pma; I dont understand the loss of -g-, but the formation looks much like the Mampruli otherwise; -pa is just the arrow stem inflected in the ga/si noun class (which contains many animal names) instead of the f/i class. On Latin piscem becoming the word for fish in Proto-Brythonic (as per AntCs question upthread): Interestingly, Albanian peshk is the basic word for fish and is also a Latin loanword. As discussed here, there are 24 non-native words in the Swadesh 200 (88% native), whereas a 4000-word list is 47% native and the 80,000 Shorter OED wordlist is only 22% native. Thats hilarious about Kehf and Kelif. 2009; 276: 2703-2710. The Geez and Ugaritic dates match, as does that of the misattributed Aramaic. Regarding obraz, it can mean in Slavics image, face, shape, appearance, icon, picture (and as Wiktionary kindly informs, in Romanian slang also buttock, cf. Thanks for the further perspective on NS as well. Separate reflexes for intervocalic *h and *h, namely vs. , seem to be consensus. Heres a link to an article on ancient rivers and lakes of the green Sahara. Of all these proposals, the most controversial is what may be called the Inter-Saharan Hypothesis. Perhaps it can be generalized to any sociolects and dialects to an extent (just to an extent): they can be shaped by decisions, not mere action of some language machine that obeys language laws. Structure dependence emerges when these lexical units are combined in simple-clause structure, realized by morphosyntactic markings of verbargument relations. Unlike that highly innovating language Lithuanian (which is also left in the dust by English when it comes to ablaut in the verbal system.). Monier-Williams Sanskrit Dictionary Well, recognising IE words and morphology was the key to interpreting Hittite texts in the first place, so without that we wouldnt be able to understand it. [8], At least it cured me of my other folk etymology, that the word had something to do with a mythical golden ox.. This paper shows how much is yet to be studied. The Flaxen Wave eighth century) writing systems (the Hebrew language began to be written with the Aramaic script during the sixth century BC, although the Samaritan sect continued to use the old Hebrew letters, and continues its liturgical use to the present day). Digital Dictionaries of South Asia RAI Dizionario dOrtografia e di Pronunzia (includes proper names) Perusing Wrights grammar, I was surprised to discover that the Windhill Yorkshirese is a guttural language. I had to google this to confirm that Im not imagining those triple vowels. Vinces assignment from the Lord is to proclaim that the Bisrat (Gospel) of Yeshua is for all nations, tribes and tongues and to do this by teaching on the earliest history of Christianity in Africa and Asia. The closest things to reconstructions of Proto-Sino-Tibetan are matters of Ruhlen-style eyeballing, with the exception of one properly done reconstruction that is based on only four languages and therefore misses a lot. A lot of the talk about genetic relationships among African languages gives a seriously misleading idea of how close the relevant languages actually are, and how much genuine rigorous comparative work there has been. Why did the editors themselves not pick up on this?). S1: Swadesh lists for 25 languages But it clearly looks like were finally getting somewhere. Perseus Digital Library 4.0 The only person Im aware of who thinks that Niger-Congo and Nilo-Saharan may be demonstrably* related who is not basically a crank is Roger Blench, and even he only makes it a tentative suggestion (he was floating the idea that N-Cs famous class system might have arisen in some way from Nilo-Saharan number marking, IIRC.). forager from Mota, southern Ethiopia(24)to represent distinct components of ances-try plausibly found in ancient and present-dayeastern Africans, with present-day western Africans among the outgroups. DE: Oh, sure. Gurage is a particuarly diverse branch (said to have retained some archaic features). endstream endobj startxref Along those lines, Claude Rilly seems to be doing some good work in settling the question of whether Meroitic was Afroasiatic or Nilo-Saharan (for sake of argument. Pescado in every sense of pez was unknown to me. In biology all that happened more slowly and came with more explanation. Goat is probably reconstructable for Proto-Volta-Congo, though this is uncertain (it depends on the reconstruction of a stem-final consonant, and I can currently find no other example for the correspondence at that level.). Contamination from *du- Kordofanian is not a unity; Greenberg himself admitted that his evidence for lumping it into his Niger-Congo was nearly all typological. To spread from the Levant into Africa, Natufians would presumably have had to pass through Egypt in any event specifically, through the Delta, an area with a relatively poor archeological record exacerbated by shifting coastlines and rivers. Language Log Hes trying to make out that the argument that Mande is not related to Volta-Congo is entirely to do with the absence of noun classes and Volta-Congo-type verbal derivation. fourth century AD). In 1912, Carl Meinhof published Die Sprachen der Hamiten (The Languages of the Hamites), in which he expanded Lepsiuss model, adding the Fula, Maasai, Bari, Nandi, Sandawe and Hadza languages to the Hamitic group. On a slightly different tack, I wonder to what extent the interpretation of Hittite texts actually was helped by IE comparison. Someone else could comment on this more knowledgeably, but I dont like this argument. Greek and type). As rigorous meant something very specific (an absolute bar to demonstrating a genetic relationship in your words) and as it is a very poor name for this, I thought that you and Ryan are likely to misinterpret the text that you were discussing. Not so: morphology is not the sole evidence. Ha! But I am not sure if the quote from Nichols was not taken out of context. I was confusing him with Mukarovsky, who actually had a quite different erroneous idea re Songhay and Mande anyway. Pictured here are two men buried in the middle layer. It is a very basic animal. Cliente de prostituta. But we have a compound for porcupine, which in modern Russian folk-etymologizes as wildimage. Most salmon are anadromous , spending most of their time in the ocean but breeding on land. A compound with a horse tethered outside belongs to a chief. Movies listed by language at IMDB If you want still more detail, follow up the references in that article. Also not inspiring confidence: may testify to seem to would seem to have would appear to have, Amorite is simply the first attested West Semitic language. Russian literature online Take care of I meant. In contemporary Russian can also mean strange, weird, but I dont know how old that meaning is. Etymologisches Wrterbuch des Deutschen And, Ive heard Starostins name a lot, but wasnt sure exactly what he focused on. However, in this study, it was observed that omissions of affixes can and do occur in Semitic languages and that in cases where omitting the affix would result in a morphologically ill-formed bare stem, subjects substituted the nonword stem with a real-word stem. /org/, Komi /eri/ ~ /erig/, without any standard etymology though I saw a proposal some years back to compare this with the also otherwise unetymologized Hungarian sgr perch. In Lopit, an Eastern Nilotic language, nouns are usually fixed as masculine or feminine, with no clear motivation or reliable rules for the gender assignment in the case of sexless referents, but feminine can replace masculine for bigger things and vice versa (contrary to the usual pattern.) Dr. Vince Bantu (PhD in Semitic and Egyptian Languages, CUA)is the Ohene (President) of the Meachum School of Haymanot and is Assistant Professor of Church History and Black Church Studies at Fuller Theological Seminary. The Dakota (Sioux) came from further east, driven partly by the Chippewa (Anishanabe), who had better access to firearms during a key period. He is actually usually very sound over lower-level subclassification. Is hystrix porcupine hys pig + thrix hair?!? Yes, textbooks are not good, by maybe we then should be angry at them and not at the paper that merely says a detailed reconstruction of the Proto-Mande language, based on strict methodological principles is necessary. 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