Her daughter has taken over the kennel and is just as driven to support the White Dobermans and the Doberman Pinscher, as a breed, in whole. As far as someone disposing of a White Dobe, that wrong. There is no health issues nor do they have behavioral issues, I find it funny when people say they are bad but have never had or seen one in person lol. Ive been studying this breed for about 6 years now and I continue to learn so much. Anyone who wants to be a breeder should want to breed for the betterment, not to make money or get a color thats proven to not be good for the breed! The one in white what type of doby is this???? With time, love and patience he will become the dog god intended him to be. Spayed females had 6.5 times higher incidence of all cancers combined compared to intact females, and neutered males had 3.6 times higher incidence than intact males. If they got a bad white then it was from a person that did not care about the health and was possibly inbreeding. if they POP up, thats one thing but dont be an irresponsible breeder and try for a dog that will diminish the breed standard. my first dobe was white, I rescued him, he was def, and blind in one eye, as well he was a fear biter, he passed at only 3 years of age due to cancer some people get lucky with health issues I was informed of problems and gave home the best home I could. Neither are purebreds. WZ i found out after the fact from AKC is a designation of Dobermans with the albino trait even though he is a blue Doberman, he is a carrier and hence why he was given that designation. You'd never know it's there untill you get a dog that is carrying two copies of it, and it is expressed as a longer than normal coat. Dobermans have owned me for over 40 years , I do my own training and it is a pleasure to involve your self with these fine and very smart dogs. Thank you , so sad anyone would want to encourage breeding white Dobermans, knowing the health problems they will have to endure. PS Lol. I read your stories about your three Dobermans. Also, consumers and dog lovers need to be educated about the health concerns of these dogs. Good luck! etc. Steve H. Your Cleo sounds like our Athana who was an exceptional dog. Cleo went eeverywhere with me ? Also, the skin/eye color isnt a qualifying factor for albinism just a sign of the trait. Hes now 10 years old, and has fatty cysts all over him. Years, Milo is 4 and not a day goes by that I dont think of Cleo! I know of 1 black and tan female that needs a home. The blue and white are both puppies from are black and tans it is in there back ground so what are you trying to say these puppies don`t deserve to live what kind of animal lover are you You know who you are. They are NOT a dog you can put out in the backyard and ignore. Now we are waiting for a Holter Test appointment. The white skin is a mutation which occurred most likely to increase absorption off vitamin D in northern countries which is where the white races evolved. First problem: MoZart lost ALL of his hair/coat from the neck to his hind quarters. She had experienced some hard blows in her life, starting at birth. Thanks! Just because you read one article, dont take it for fact. So Isabella color and the variations- it is totally normal considering this ))))). I was considering getting a Doberman as a second large breed. But most of them will. Even if he is expensive to keep healthy. But he is, and always will be, the dog we loved the most. Talk to a vet. Hello to all, my family and myself have bred and raised Dobermans for over 40 years. Follow up will be in 2020, but until then no meds nor restrictions are prescribed. In horses, theres something called partial albinism. Have you ever seen a female dog get cervical cancer?? Thats the main goal of AKC, UKC, CKC and any other kennel clubs. Weimie ?:). The point that the author was making was that they are partially albino and albinism comes with health problems. Ive volunteer edo at ASPCAS and many of those dogs have serious physical and emotional issues. There is currently a female Doberman about 4-5 years old looking for a home near Erie PA He was afraid of her and almost pulled my shoulder out trying to get away from her. White Doberman Punchers have NEVER been proven to be albino, and yes, white dobes can be show dogs in some countries, and, yes, there have been white champions, regardless of temperament. I believe those batteries that have been discovered from days of old, using vinegar, were possibly used for making colloidal silver! She said it worked well. My lovely boxer/rottwreiler just passed away last week at the ripe old age of 16! A. He has been checked over by a vet several times and has no vision or health problems. Did AKC refuse to register something you have? White tigers are very beautiful creatures as are white lions and both occur and survive naturalistically in nature. Youre a puppy mill just like breeders that breed for merle in Chihuahuas. The most common Doberman hair color is obviously the black and tan, sometimes called black and rust, or black and brown. And all anyone can do is take the best care of their animal as possible. The population of white tigers is also too small and probably somewhat inbred to realistically test this theory. Religious bashing is rude. So I was thinking of her as well. Dogs from shelters can be trained and make very good companions. And its interesting that blue Dobermans slightly beat out fawn Dobermans by 2%. I have had alot of dobermans over the years all colors the color does not make the dog what makes the dog is how you raise it train it love it and socialize them. As far as what information youve given, I believe there is no such thing as a bad dog but there is such thing as a bad owner. This is natural. It is an albino full of health problems and should never be bred. My red Dober-boy, Steele, gets a sunburn on and just above his nostrils the fist day outside in the Spring. How sad and pitiful are you ? Get yourself another color more to your liking. The are different dogs breeds that are available for this however I think for me these two breeds are the best since I have such a personal history and now the breed combination well. I guess its a yanky thing. And she has bright pink skin that burns easily. But I cannot feel anything other than grateful, because I feel as though we have rescued her. I own a blue doberman. Hes my 90lb lap dog. What about the thyroid condition that Dobes get? And Marcela Rodriguez, you might want to try fish oil and get your blue in to see a vet and or a dermatologist quickly to try and help his coat. her eyes are sensitive to the sun and she does seem to have a somewhat sensitive stomach. The white one is hidden if there is a black. Whites have been insecure about this fact and rewrote history to try and make white skin more attractive when it is in fact inferior and a genetic mutation. Her Mom was white and dad was black/tan. I just love them. If anyone is a breeder of Dobermans please reply with some info or things i would need to know first!! We love all dobes but to breed a dog who has health issues- related to colour or not, is cruel. Your grandad was correct about that one Dog our was Cleo. Not the standard black and rust. If the horse has only one gene, it makes the underlying colour paler. He was only 4 and a half years when cancer disabled him. They get alot of play time together running and wrestling in the fenced yard (like 3-4 hours) then when its time for me to leave for work they are so tired, they naturally will fall asleep inside the house. I am capable of finding a good breeder as I have a history with AKC and the breeders. -Thanks. as a vet i have seen so many of you love dont love white dobe but the thing is its not about the health or about the color or where it came from what matter is how you love your pets if you define them differently then you define your pets as pest not with love. Everyone that meets him, wants him. People can do what ever they want as far as getting a dog. I was very intrigued. For example, if the white gene in a tiger provided resistance to any given cat disease, then breeding white tigers could potentially endow the species with a get-out-of-jail-free card in the future. These are black Dobermans without the usual rust color markings. if you get one and have it dna tested it may or may not be from Shebahs bloodline. Many people crave having cute and adorable healthy pets. Ive seen others similarly sized. I have a white female Doberman and she is the best dog in the world she is good with my kids and has no health problems at all shes fun and loving and gets along with any dog she even loves the cat next door and her best friend is a one year old pit named Chico I love all Dobermans they are the best dogs and loyal to there most inner core. If you ask me its people who are ignorant and stupid . Our dobbies are as a people some more healthy, some less. You clearly havent dealt with many white Dobies, especially in the veterinary world. i have a white doverman and he is very loving hes six years old no health problem until last week he started falling like his front claws wants to turn in while he walks has anyone every had this proble please let meknow? My mother is disabled as well with mobility issues which I feel the dog is good for as well for her. A good breeder breeding for health in the whites is going to produce good whites. We are searching the rescues, not an easy task they all have their own qualifications to adopt. Your comment is awaiting moderation. I think there are a lot of moronic people on this site that are prejudiced as well as an educated even though they should stop and think that humans by their logic are imbread as well because if it was just Adam and eve then some body was double dippingso white dobermans arent alone are they? Why should we try to start a new color to a breed we ALREADY have, and make the white dobies we have now suffer with genetic/health problems so that MAYBE one day the white dobie gene pool will be dilluted enough so that they only have the same health problems as the other colored dobermans? Theyre not the ones that have the problem I think you need to seek some help. Cleo would take smaller steps and have her eye on Becky constantly. Thank you for your support I hope you can answer. Im like you not wanting a puppy, but a 2-4 year old. The animal is still considered an albino, however, because it carries an albinistic mutation. But he was gentle as could be around them. Please contact me. So what if it was, so what if all breeds came about that way? But it did the trick. Like the white Doberman, they should not be bred. The only reason you didnt see them until recently was because breeders culled them drowned them or broke their necks as soon as they were born. I bought a albino dobe and had i known all the problems they havei dont think i would of.. You are not special. Below you can see the traditional black and tan Doberman color alongside a red Doberman. YOU ARE RIGHT, PEOPLE GET BUTT HURT OVER FACTS WHEN IF THEY DID THE RESEARCH THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE FACT FRON FICTION. Back to the people want the unusual, but dont realize how much work comes with it. I love the comments about the White Dobe and that they have great personalities and temperament and frankly believe that you could have a little different personality from a White Dobe just because of the color (I have my flame suit on so let the comments rip). Every where I go with Merlin , I am complimented on his manners, temperament, and coat. If you ever get a chance to see a German Bred Doberman, be sure to take a lot of photos and video, then compare it to any Dobe bred in the United States. I believe this is a huge factor. Even so, its felt that these dogs are not inferior to the reds or blacks if good breeding is present. BTW, two large studies on cardio (one in the US and one in Europe) have shown that 60 per cent of dobes suffer from the disorder. Theres a very sweet 2 y.o. just because your white dog is healthy now doesnt mean it wont run into issues later. All our worries were put to rest. This breed of dogs originated in Germany where it was distributed all over the world. Dobermans are medium-large sized with a noble appearance and sleek looks, being extremely intelligent and energetic. My first ones never had a health issue up till the day they passed peacefully in there sleep. It is very cruel to spay or neuter pets. I would not amputate his leg. Just remember buyer beware. However, when we look at the longevity of, say, albino rabbits, guinea pigs, pigeons and budgies, we can realistically say that being white in itself is not fatal to a species. Its ignorance of the worst kind. Little kids that dont know him jst run right up to him and want to pet him. These last two Doberman colors, the greys, and fawns are sometimes discouraged from breeding. Or put you down its just so people get a real clue and stop putting money into bad breeding. Menu. Shes sweet and gentle and no problems so far (other than too much love licks). White tigers are very beautiful creatures as are white lions and both occur and survive naturalistically in nature. It doesnt get much better than that!!! My Westie wanted to be second in command and over stepped her place so now I cant let the Shepherd and Westie together. Life is like a box of jelly beans no one likes the black ones. Helene VanHining Rockford IL am listed on AKC web site. He explained coherently, the albino thing.might you should reread the article with peace in your heart for claritys sake. I have a red and a blue they are amazing with my children. common sense be damned. He has had no health problems very easy trained. My white may squint in the sun but so do I! Ya white blue and fawn should never be purposly bred Every since american breeders got there hands on a dobermann they have ruined the breed.. Now we have dilluted colors, whites, everyone of these types are prine to skin issues at the very least. I use Innova Red Meat food for my dog and healthy ppl food and he is healthy as a horse. They wanted nothing to do with that! Ppl who breed these animals are only concerned about earning $$ and not the animals. i will admit he does squent in direct sunlight but so does every human being. our first family dog was a red he grew up with my 3 boys he was a loyal campaign and friend to them. We rescued our white dobie. Studies have proven that this breed of dog is very unique. I have previously had 4dobies and one of them was born deformed. I went to the store and bought an at home UTI kit and tested her myself, I called the vet and after urine analysis it was confirmed. Breed Dobermans with good temperaments and good health, or not at all. I bet half of you owners with healthy white Dobies havent seen been to a vet more than three times with that dog. He was barking the whole time and immediately started growling at my dad when we walked past his pen. Very nice info on our most favorite dog dobermansss thanks we are the dog lovers from the midddle east. So see miller to make my point your message was not only informationless to me and everyone else, it was also showing how much of a dog lover you are not,If you were you would be giving information on the health issues and such like everyone else. If one does choose a shelter dog tho, they must be spayed or neutered before u can bring them home. Youre a freaking genius. Ive owned nothing but dobermans for 30 years and I have owned and rescused every color, including the z factor whites. What are the health risks for a red pup from a red dad and albino mother? I am familiar with dobermans I we had five dobermans when I was a young child. What Rampant Materialism Looks Like, and What It Costs. All domesticated animals including all dog breeds are a bit of an abomination or reconstruction of natural selection and I feel that we need to be wary of pontificating or judging the significant efforts of those who believe in breeding white Dobermans. White dobermans can be sickly or healthy as can ANY other dog. Monitor these things, supervise and dedicate time to them as a member of your home. Siamese cats are a classic example of a harmless albino mutation; they are genetically albino, but the mutation only affects the hair, and it is temperature-dependent. Oh, wait ~ It must be your words put together in a sentence that are just stupid. He doesnt have an aggressive bone in his body. I didnt buy a white Dobe but I did just adopt one when our local shelter had to be evacuated and she needed somewhere to go for a few days and I just couldnt bring her back. (If the shoe fits). We got him about 2 and he died at 13 quite suddenly actually, We took him to the vet as he was growling at my mother which he never had done before. Evidently, lurking somewhere in the deep recesses on Dobe genetics, there is a (resessive) gene for longer hair. These are family Dobermans. He claimed because of the blue eyes that they were not albinos and had a fair amount of references from happy owners who claimed they had no uncommon problems. So that inbreeding excuse everyone makes as a scare tactic really doesnt fly if you do your research . They always will! Jordan is a great dog but Cleo will always be that One special dog. You just have to compare the two. To do otherwise is just plain selfish. The environment is everything. Its not fair to the animals first and foremost. I may not need to have them trained as a PPD service dog, this I am debating on because being familiar with the breed I know they may just will react if I am ever in a situation as I was just experienced. Completely gorgeous and I have never seen another like him. I was not aware of the health problems white dobermans have and if i had I may not have gotten him. i think whitedobielover has the most sense of anyone on here. I am an animal activist, but I still think its okay to cut their ears as long as it is done correctly and under anesthesia with great care taken to keep the dog out of pain and tending to the healing correctly. , Breeders should Produce what they want as a breeder in a dog as long its healthy and functional or not deformed its about your preference because have to feed keep and raise the dogs not another breeder I wouldnt dare breed to please other people like if you like it buy it if not I will raise and be stuck but at least I will be stuck with what I like. http://dpca.org/albino/albino_about.htm The website also has a lot of information for anyone wanting information about the Dobermans. Thats when she gave me the bad news. Reading through all these comments. So. all reputable sources of info on the white, INCLUDING THE AKC, say the same thing highly prone to genetic defects. its not that they are bad dogs yall need to get off your high horses just understand that as far as breed standard is concerned they are frowned upon Youre a FUCKING BOZO!!!! Sara : there is nothing wrong with white dobermans. A lady friend of mine brought her three kids over while we were living together ages 1 1/2 3 1/2 and 4 1/2. My heart goes out to you both. I pray the universe keeps you from committing such a selfish act. I think not.. after reading as much of your snarkiness that I could stomach. Think I will be posting for advice as soon as we know more. I do believe that they do have a soft stomach . please dont make more problems than the breed already has ! 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