Overall, I dont think there is a perfect medical school in the world with 100% student satisfaction. Currently in the U.S. there lots of DO schools springing up left and right, and most of them are for profit. Meet our administrative and academic teams, Semesters 6-10, rotations and clinical studies. anyone else sorry and naturally they have low attrition rates. Thats it. Communism. The worst thing that I could say is witnessing someone die young; and realizing how life is short. Besides driving up the cost of medical education, this has also exacerbated physician shortages in rural parts of the country. MCAT (mandatory for U.S. citizens, nationals or permanent residents all other students strongly encouraged). Almost makes me want to go back to med school. I am an older student with grown up kids. Remember this is your DREAM, never forget that. I got into this school that had a reputation for shedding students like an old cat with skin cancer. The ugly truth about Caribbean medical schools, Add your comment below or scroll down to read Hello, Why could they take my money each semester (which the schools loan company is after me for now) and they would not let me take my exam? I want to also study at All Saint uni can you tell me about the school pros and cons and what it takes to study there. The make 85 K/year these days, and it doesnt take Near as long to become one. For comparison, UCLA medical school has about 160 in each class. Out of the context, this may sound like AUA campus life is getting better but in reality it is actually worse. Our school accepts a large number of students and it does tend to dwindle down and it is very unfortunate. Thanks Eric. I did get the M.D. -Ive recently heard alot of cons about Ross but what do you think of the school since it has moved to Barbados? What productive or uplifting purpose does it serve? ), but final exams are You must find ways to cope, because you will be expected to just get good grades and to just be a good doctor always. What I am saying may come across harsh. Do not let the bad experiences of some influence your future. I only applied to Ross and St. George because I knew my chances to get into a U.S medical school was slim to none. Since its founding, more than 2500 students have earned their medical degree at Saba. SGU in past 10 years drastically increased their medical classes. So many of my colleagues are just a shell of themselves, though prior to med school they too were healers and humanitarians. The Caribbean is high-risk but SGU gives you your best shot. Sure, the good Caribbean medical schools you could count on the fingers of one hand, but without them the shortage of physicians in the US would be much worse than it is now. I am still dying. Saba University School of Medicine was founded in 1992 with a bold vision: to establish an international alternative to U.S. and Canadian medical schools that would provide an excellent medical education and expansive career opportunities. It is my opinion that SJSM exploits most of the faculty by paying them less than theyd earn in the US. Its equipped with a nice and big gym that is located in front of the schools beach. Upon reflection research, AUA did not uphold the accreditation standards they were mandated to uphold. Wow! I am one of the lucky few who actually passed the first two years of school in Grenada, at SGU. I met with my seniors who are passing out from this university and have settled in their careers at a high level. At $26,000 tuition per semester and the chance of financial aid for both U.S. and Canadian students, also means you shouldnt rule it out. Everything is poorly taught by profs with very thick foreign accents and there is no time to properly review the material. I spent thousands of dollars taking a couple classes in order 1. However, because many of the offshore schools have a lower requirement for entry, many of you are afforded the opportunity to achieve your dream. You see that with relationships, after many years marriages that no-one ever thought will fail, fail. The heat and humidity is awful, but it made me very comfortable with the local area. She was the last vestige of the old AUC before DeVry devoured it. Finally, residency positions are available for the people who work for them. The recent 2019 sgu average step 1 score decreased from the years prior. final, you got a Segundo and Regularizationa second or third try. Why not go because, you will get accepted and graduate, but if you want to come back to the US you still have to pass the USMLE 1,2CK AND 2 CS to get certified and be eligible to find a job as an under paid intern. May I ask what the tuition is in Nigerian medical schools? in mid-January! I strongly dislike the state of Medical schools. Do you have any advice or information on this medical school? You need to ask yourself: am I one of those 10 students? Deceptive. I need to know my chances as an Indian student. 3 How much does it cost for 7 years of medical school? We Dreaded this, so many actually transferred to the Caribbean schools, or did the Old Fifth Pathway year, typically in NYC. I actually went the Mexican route. This is unethical, fraud, immoral and something needs to be done about it. You know what you need to be a good physician, that is what you should focus on. I know of many students who do well and excel and even get residencies in big name hospitals. What happened to primary prevention? You dont need to be a genius to be a doctor. There were only a few cadavers in the anatomy labsdug up from Most of these physicians are extremely talented and knowledgeable. Caribbean medical schools have a bit of a reputation for being easier options to get into. We also have a health clinic on campus that also takes emergencies 24/7. Like a fellow doc from Berkely told me, the socialist goal is to get doctors off their ivory towers and everone should get the same reward regadless of their effort. When youre done, everyone will still ask you for the money. I wondered if you might have any suggestions, contacts for me where I could utilize my medical background without a license. Thats the Real Mexico! But, an MD without USMLE Part II can still get hired as a professor or other biomedical researcher, participate in planning and running clinical trials, and get priority for grants with new terminal degree from the National Institutes of Health and the NIH myriad subsidiary institutes. Almost all the schools required their prerequisites to have been taken in the last 5 years. If you military service or are from certain areas (i.e. Sadly, medicine as we know it today, is a business from start to finish. As a student last semester you had four courses and in order to move on to the next semester you had to pass all classes with a 70%, if you did not pass one class, then if you failed the course but fell within a 65% you can take a remedial which I have heard is extremely difficult to pass. If they can make it, then they can try their hand at a real semester. I experienced very similarly what David did. I wish to know what University over there in the caribbeans you would recommend from your own cognition and what school you attend now. I really dont see the point of going to the Caribbean and going through all of that struggle and spending 250K to do it. Passing scores were raised 3-4 times over the course of 2 years; every time I met the criteria the score was raised. Sadly some of my friends are figuring this out the hard way, many of which have fallen into alcohol or drug abuse etcsimply to deal with the stress and everything that they have to put up with at this school. Doctor revived after suicide. Is that true? I mean Im currently living my dream. Saba has had a reputation for being a top four school, but you will not know who your professors are a months from now, you will not know what the curriculum will be a months from now, you will not know what you will need to pay in rent a month from now, even if you have already signed a lease, and you will not know what food will be in the stores a month from now. This is excellent advice. I have friends who are in medical school there right now but the professors note is from 2005. I thought Id offer a different perspective from a current M2 SGU student, in response to the points made in this post. Thanks for the additional insight. Could you guys give the honest opinions? So please, I need to know the truth. Instead I chose nursing and just enough non-nursing science classes to earn a BA in biology also. Its now being run in such a way that I would highly recommend students look elsewhere. Thats what they used to doI recall getting an email asking me to write something positive on a forum for them about. The majority of Of course, the outcome depends on you. Point being, dont give SGU a reason to dismiss you. And I too would never recommend my school to a loved one. But this is just my opinion. The school also offers workshops on different areas as test taking skills, how to deal with anxiety and depression, and how to study for a specific subject. If youre reasonably smart, you can improve your app and get into a DO program stateside. Mode of teaching is in English. The medical schools of Saint Kitts and Nevis have a match rate of 45%. Choose SGU. This school sounds like it is SGU in Grenada. Please your guidance will be very much appreciated. The class of 700, starting in January, finished with around 450, meaning about 64 percent of their class made it from day 1 to the last day of year 2. Professors who barely know students unless you make yourself known. Saba students earn top residencies at medical centers across the US and Canada. Sabas Step 1 Pass Rate (95%) is also something potential applicants could find reassuring. Luckily there are post-bac programs, special masters programs and even night pre-req classes available to pre-meds that are motivated but still just below the bench mark of being accepted. The problem I have with this is that our school allows students to take on 40K per semester of debt just to dismiss them after 4 or 5 semesters if they fall below an overall GPA below a 75% or having a final grade of below 70% in any one class. As with anything, proceed with caution. I applied to Ross, AUC, AUA and Saba. CONGRATULATIONS! and, I thought WE had it rough! We were charged 3-4 times what the locals were charged and were basically the schools cash cow. Everyone will ask you for the money. I have met doctors from this school at different hospitals but unfortunately, many people dont know that graduates from Caribbean schools contribute to a great majority of physicians in the US. The University of the West Indies provides high quality, fully accredited medical degrees that have been approved by the National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation (NCFMEA) of the United States. These schools are not for you. To illustrate this, consider the median costs of tuition, fees, and health insurance at allopathic medical schools during the 20202021 academic year: $39,150 (in-state, public medical schools) $63,546 (out-of-state, public medical schools) $64,053 (in-state, private medical schools). I was reprimanded when I asked what the screening practices were that allowed a criminal to teach us medicine. I went to law school instead. I do not. Please give your reflections, recommendations, regrets, etc. You know physicians and medical students bash NPs and PAs all the time. If you want to be one of those few that make it to writing the USMLE and beyond, you need to be tough and have a great support system in place. Or is it my dream for her? Residency: Case Western Reserve, Internal Medicine, Graduate. Whether or not the system of selection is fair or not, those who will not let their dream dye, do consider attending a Caribbean med-school a serious option. Am from Ethiopia, I finished my BSN back home and currently am her in TX, working as Nurse/RN, planning Caribbean MD school but I totally confused which school I have to go. They for a long time had federal loans and eventually lost them due to low performance on USMLEs. Overall, I dont think there is a perfect medical school in the world with 100% student satisfaction. I have had 3 doctors have interns that didnt know the names of basic medical problems, medications, rapport with patients and are simply dumb as a box of rocks if you ask me. I wouldnt take that risk when you have hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake. It was more painful to watch kids struggle and always getting in trouble at school and out of school at such a young age after coming from a Boarding School were kids were just kids not smoking in the bathroom or arguing with their teachers. We actively search for resources to help fill in the gaps our school leaves. I didnt see a response to your question. The instructors are from different counties and are sometimes at high levels in their fields. Hi James~ Opinion of clinical rotation opportunities at Norwegian Chicago Hospital vs Hospitals in NY for residency placement? My advisor told me to just quit, it isnt for everybody and it only gets harder. (thank gawd I didnt listen to her.) Too many times, have I heard of land lords charging foreign med students a much higher rent, or making them pay the land lords bills, or threatening to turn them over to the police. In my experience students and faculty leave Saba medical school because it is an extremely stressful place to study and work, and you dont need that amount of stress added to your medical school experience. I actually met one student who got a full tuition scholarship through this program. An example of this is the pathology course. Is that you? You can put all your energies into studying and reap nothing. Yet many of these new graduates dont have the skills to take care of their patients. (probably the one thing I agree on, in this article). If you dont mind Ill like to talk to you as regards getting an MD degree in the Caribbean. Thus these Schools must force these excessive students ( much like the over-booked flights) thru one means or the other resulting in a attrition rates as high as 40%. Career Highlights. I have met other students who also got scholarships from this school, and their scholarships are of about $100K. Be one of those few students that stay at home with their head in the books while others go out. Only needed 1.2 years to graduate. What does it mean for you to be a doctor and how far are you willing to travel to get there, and will you ever give up? Vacation is from Christmas to early Feburary (sweet! First of all not everyone at a Caribbean medical school processes the appropriate academic competency to succeed. However, never did get my license because I was unable to sit Part II of the USMLE before I graduated, because I lacked one more core. I feel burnt out and abused as a specialist. It isnt nearly so doom and gloom. The flip side of THAT is: Meanwhile, the cost of medical school has skyrocketed; the median student debt for the class of 2016 was a hundred and ninety thousand dollars. AUA, MUA, St George, SABA, are top notch schools and some of you guys are just flat out lying because you are upset. Personally, Im thankful for the experience because, despite the intense, God awful stress I endured. SJSM entices financially vulnerable students with financing that hinges on students enrolling in online masters programs through schools like Walden University. Mind you, Im very close with the head of several departments and we have discussed this for hours, and our disapproval of the methods they use to keep within their budget. Its what you make it. How is a student from South Africa going to challenge a wrongful dismissal? Sabas success is on par with U.S. medical schools, greater than most U.S. osteopathic schools and significantly greater than most International medical schools. I think what is missing is the transparency on the part of the schools. Do not overwork doctors. Given that every semester, despite AUA or Caribbean med school reputations, reddits, sdn, etc., student size grows. Its true you are under an extreme amount of stress and out of your comfort zone, but there are ways to cope that do not involve drugs. And almost none of that is left. I went to one of the mid-tier programs and dropped out and I have kept in touch with students who did matchwho were VERY hard workers and who ended up in FM when I think they could have done better than that. Hospital Volunteer Opportunities Near You, Is Ross University A Good Medical School? No school can give you that, you either have it inside you or you dont. (but if you want in on a little secret, the highest paid professors at a US school get paid for their research! Susan Atchly was a very good friend of mine! They also would try to keep Now most of student who is from where I m (California ) go for some Linkage program and fees for that is 60K. Some left because they couldnt handle the living conditions and others because they got frustrated by the way the school does business and transferred to another medical school. The tuition is less than some of the other Caribbean schools and there is a possibility that you can become a doctor by attending this school. But, if you really want to become a physician, you have to think about your priorities in life and decide if you want to spend another year trying to get accepted in the US or rather start sooner than later in a Caribbean school. Dont beat yourself up like I did. This is one of the best Caribbean medical schools. Caribbean school should be your last resort and when youve decided its your last resort, make sure you compare the top 3 and see which suits you best (St. George, Ross, AUC). Trust me, there is a lot more to life than that. They see this as a business and will seek out every opportunity (legal or not) to make some money. So, if someone that is considering going to medical school overseas, here is real advice: 1. They have great resources and a few really great professors that truly do care about you and your education. All of our lectures are recorded on Echo360, so attendance is not required, so I just sit in my lovely brand new condo here that looks onto the bay and do my class work for most of the day. A few rotten corpses in the anatomy lab, the school had no AC (except for the plush-carpet offices of the Administration-Natch.) There are some things I hear from students from a certain school, that if you made it here, you will make it anywhere because this school is hard (out of their comfort zone). I also withdrew from AUA but I withdrew before the end of the first semester. I was told that they are considering me for the CFP and MD programs. Thanks Tori. The best schools in the Caribbean are: SABA, ST George, MUA, AUA, and Ross St. Matthews is okay, but they did not get approved in California and this concerns me. The vast majority of Cubas medical students go into primary care. These states mandate institutional review and approval prior to granting access to clerkship opportunities in their respective states. I am an Army veteran who also graduated from an Ivy League institution. That might be okay, but probably not. If you want a warm and fuzzy feeling and are not used to fighting for what you want, instead of waiting for it, then medical school is not for you 3. Being an IMG is tough and being a Caribbean medical student, even tougher. Do not mess up your life after graduation. This semester in my semester two class there were 130ish students. So what did the school decide to do, well they decided that they would allow students in semester 1 to move on to the next semester as long as they got a grade higher than 35% overall, but here is the catch, at the end of the second semester you had to get an overall grade of 70% in order to move on to semester 3. I have met other students who also got scholarships from this school, and their scholarships are of about $100K. Hello dears, crashes. I am same situation. If you cant handle the environment, try to figure that in term one and leave the school. a. We would cool our heels for No we dont have it, but you can get the 4th edition if you like, theres not much of a difference It is much worse than people realize. Between 2015 and 2022, this rate was 99%. If you got a 2.0 at any university, in any program youre not magically going to become a great student in medical school. Ive watched my classmates drop out, semester after semester. However, Caribbean medical schools offer an alternative for people like my son, whom all grade in Canadas university is 92% and over, and MCAT was on the top and he did not received any admission or even interview for admission to any Canadas medical university due to this spot are offered for international student who pay more money. After graduating from E.L.A.M., Castillo returned to his Afro-indigenous village, in Honduras, and built the areas first free, community-run hospital. So I was determined to make sure I graduated!! So. Would you recommend that. To everyone else, my story is a bit complicated but there is truth in all the stories people shared, the negatives and positives. The alumni association periodically brings graduates from the US and/or Canada to the school to talk about tips for residency, how to adapt in our transition when we return to the USA for clinicals, and how to study for USMLE, among other topics. I also understand that loans are not as easy to get for foreign med schools. I personally dont though Im sure they exist. So, if the faculty is accomplished, why would they work for less than they could get in the US? None of that is good enough to get into a US medical school though. It is a job, making widgets while being monitored by an MBA counting beans. The staff is disconnected and said either repeat the term after you seek medical attention or just quit. Check out the upcoming test dateshere for the U.S. and here for Canada. Classrooms are small, and cramped, and the computer lab has about 20 computers and maybe only 12 work. That is after uSMLEs and matching. I think mom and dad are footing the bill because their precious child cannot handle the competition stateside. @Nick, have you seen those real USMLE questions? 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