Amberg GEW88. 98 as modified for them are reproduced herewith. But for a truly skilled shooter the 857 is more than capable of knocking off non dangerous game at 600 yards not that I would take such a shot despite the fact that I have competed in NRA across the course events in their 3 position shooting. + $10.00 shipping . Failures related to case seperations or high pressures are more dangerous in the pre-98's than in the 98's, they are much more so in the pre-91's. One of my older loading manuals had data specifically for the Gew 88's. I'd think this would go well with you desire to go from 8 to 9.3MM. Or, if you like the .35's then the 9x57. There were also two carbine versions, the Karabiner 88 for mounted troops and the Gewehr 91 for artillery. I won't shoot modern or mil-surp ammo in it. Examples of these usually show first-class workmanship and special features such as folding sights and altered bolt handles. Description: This is a Turkish Gew 88 rifle chambered in 8mm mauser that was refurbished by the Asfa Ankara arsenal in 1935. Made in 1891 so this is an antique, no FFL/transfer needed. The idea was to devise some sort of 'button' / cutter that could. Just got my RTI luger in, paid $2000, did I get a good RTI is due to start selling Luger Pistols soon. Early smokeless powders needed the kinks worked out. but for these why not use a turk kkale 8mm barrel, it needs to be modified a little to fit but will correct the diameter issues and make a good, unique, cheap, brush gun. The same the prized Mannlicher Schonauer: it actually should be named Schlegemilch Schoenhauer cause it has nothing to be named Mannlicher. In conclusion old time real hunters understood wild game habits and used to actually stalk up to ranges as close as 25 yards. In the U.S. Mauser it is generally called 8mm. Now yer makin sense!!! If it was me I'd buy a nice Lothar Walther contoured barrel and consider myself WAY ahead of the game. If all the mount are old and scape too can be worth a decent amount. Hanyang 88 - Illegal Chinese-production of Model 1888. I got it with an old Turk marked bayonet an an incorrect US canvas sling. into a 35 Wheelen. OP, be very careful if you try to shoot this thing. ._1sDtEhccxFpHDn2RUhxmSq{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-flow:row nowrap;flex-flow:row nowrap}._1d4NeAxWOiy0JPz7aXRI64{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}.icon._3tMM22A0evCEmrIk-8z4zO{margin:-2px 8px 0 0} Many beautiful rifles were made on this design. Gewehr 88 rifles have been used widely during post World War I revolutions, uprisings and wars (on both sides of the Russian Civil War, the German Revolution of 191819, the Revolutions and interventions in Hungary (191820), the Greater Poland Uprising (191819), the Silesian Uprisings, the Turkish War of Independence, the PolishSoviet War,[8] by the Ulster Volunteers and by Lithuanians in the Lithuanian Wars of Independence). Sir, how do you like the 9X57's field performance? These in 7.92x57i. If you want to search the archives, I'm fairly certian we may have, If you can figure out how to do this, there are hundreds of tousands of. A lot of the older Gewehr/Karabiner 88 sporters were purpose built by CG Haenel. All these plants were under the financial control of Loewe. Lot number: 150. WWI German MG Kompanie Imperial Eratz Bajonett Notbajonett Gewehr 88 no k98. The invention of smokeless powder in the late 19th century immediately rendered all of the large-bore black powder rifles then in use obsolete. 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Not really sure which Rockwell and method I'd specify. Perhaps a year ago now a few of us were discussing " re- rifeling ", I was part of that discussion. Furthermore, the official Mauser figures are 3200 Atmospheres for the round nose (an Atmosphere is approximately 14-2/3 foot pounds) and 3500 Atmospheres for the pointed bullet! A place to discuss military surplus firearms collection and other C&R weapons. He is also a columnist for Rifle, Handloader, and Safari Times. I think the .338x57 may be the best choice for this action for hunting in thick woods (won't be deflected as easily as a smaller bullet). Because I am a rare hunter, I respect the wild game I hunt and under field conditions too much can go wrong even if the hunter is a skilled shot. 7.9257mm Mauser adapted rifles have the receiver marked with a large "S" rollmark. A .366" bullet beats a .338". I've casually thought about what would have to be done to create an accurately rifled bore, and I've concluded that I'm not going to go there. The first importer of Haenel-Mannlichers was Oscar Hesse of New Jersey, who began bringing them into the U.S. in 1894. Gew 88's were re-serialized by the army capturing them in some rare cases (i.e. Most of the Gewehr 88s seen in the US are the ones that were given to the Turkish forces in World War I and have been modified from the original design. About 5,500 Gewehr and Karabiner 88s were delivered to the Lithuanian Army in 19191920 (granted by Germany and sold by France and the UK). The practical result was that the French rifle had greater accuracy and range, and needed cleaning much less often, giving French troops a tactical advantage over the German Army. Still need to get her rebarreled Press J to jump to the feed. Victorian-era British arms, accoutrements, and military history. The 8.08mm (.318 in) bullet diameter however remained unchanged. By I would normally say "F pour one out for another", but this is a pretty old sporterization and likely worth a decent amount. In the frenzy of rifle development in Europe between the arrival of smokeless powder in 1886 and the ultimate Mauser in 1898, several good military bolt rifles made their debut. Bill. Email; Twitter; Facebook; Google + Pinterest; Tumblr; Linkedin FINISH SHOWS ONLY TRACES OF BLUING WITH MOSTLY PATINA COVERED BARE METAL. It should feed well based on case size but what about the length? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. @keyframes _1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT{0%{opacity:0}to{opacity:1}}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc{--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left:0px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;padding:3px 9px;position:absolute;border-radius:4px;margin-top:-6px;background:#000;color:#fff;animation:_1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT .5s step-end;z-index:100;white-space:pre-wrap}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc:after{content:"";position:absolute;top:100%;left:calc(50% - 4px - var(--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left));width:0;height:0;border-top:3px solid #000;border-left:4px solid transparent;border-right:4px solid transparent}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd{margin-top:6px}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after{border-bottom:3px solid #000;border-top:none;bottom:100%;top:auto} This rifle is in pretty good shape externally, save for a splinter out of the forend on the left side, which I shall have fixed. For military collectors, the Gewehr '88 is almost a cult object, and while it has been widely written about, it is also widely misunderstood. The markings found on Gew 88's are very extensive and therefore are a topic of their own. As a result, the number of minor variations seems endless. Any idea where I could get a 9.3x57 barrel (not too spendy!)? Americans who would not think of using a low number Springfield 1903 with modern ammunition, will unhesitatingly so use this old German type which was built while our Army was still using black powder single shot rifles! Since the present model German military cartridge uses more of the same modern powder and a differently shaped bullet of greater diameter, the pressure developed by the new cartridges is dangerous for use in the earlier rifle. The jist of the discussion was using the existing rifeling as a guide. A reason for this is that US ammunition makers fear the lawsuits that would follow if S bore (.323) Spitzer bullets were fired in the older unconverted J-bore Commission 88 rifles of the old J (.318) bore size. Mauser Rifles and Pistols is also available to purchase in print. When I miss, I don't blame the brush for getting in the way. - Free Online Library", "Ethiopian military rifle cartridges: Part 2: from Mauser to Kalashnikov", "Weapons Of The Greco-Turkish War Part 1", "Israeli Small Arms IDF issue weapons [Archive] - UZI Talk Forums", "Zbrojownia tamtych lat Arsena odrodzonej armii", "Weapons of the Irish Revolution part I 191416", "From Arisaka to assault rifle: The military rifle cartridges of Japan part 2", "Fuzil da Comisso Alem de 1888 "Gewehr '88" (Rev. Making the world a better place to live in. It's accuracy is mediocre. I have a few in different configuration. If it's a big thumper you want then the 9.3x57 is just the ticket. box magazine, spoon Mauser bolt, 28 line fancy German sporter round knob stock, creseant steel butt, schnobel forend, 3/4" European leather sling strap, many . Tags: None. Trying to get barrel measurements for an older Ruger. Why not use an action that is well-established to be up to the task of a modern cartridge? Category : D. Caliber : 8x57J . Some idea of the tremendous extent of these manufacturing operations may be gained from the following figures: The rifle barrel required 54 operations to complete. Among these developments was the famous round that the Germans introduced in the Gewehr 88: the famous "Patronen 7.92x57mm" that today we call the "8mm Mauser." . 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